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Paul Green - OUT!

Should we head in a new direction by signing a new head coach?


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Ah yes, the support of the players. He just needs to get the full support of the board and he'll officially be a dead man walking

https://www.townsvillebulletin.com.au/sport/nrl/cowboys/cowboys-not-pointing-fingers-at-coach-after-season-of-misery/news-story/b48fcd05c94cd8dace60da8811fb8788

Cowboys not pointing fingers at coach after season of misery
TRENT SLATTER, Townsville Bulletin
August 5, 2019 5:03pm

COWBOYS captain Michael Morgan has thrown his support behind embattled coach Paul Green, saying the blame lies just as much with the players for their shortcomings this season.

Pressure is mounting on Green ahead of Thursday night’s Queensland derby against the Broncos in Townsville after the Cowboys slumped to a miserable 28-4 loss to the Wests Tigers last weekend.

The defeat has effectively ended North Queensland’s top eight hopes given they need to win all five remaining games to avoid missing the finals for the second year in a row.

Former Blues coach Laurie Daley has led calls for Green to step down and give the Cowboys a fresh start, but Morgan insisted the players were also feeling the pinch for their disappointing campaign.

“Just given the way we’ve been going those things do get said obviously and as a player it’s never nice to see or hear that,” Morgan said.

Cowboys coach Paul Green speaks at the post match media conference at the end of the round 18 NRL match against the Rabbitohs at 1300SMILES Stadium on July 20, 2019 in Townsville, Australia. (Photo by Ian Hitchcock/Getty Images)

Cowboys coach Paul Green speaks at the post match media conference at the end of the round 18 NRL match against the Rabbitohs at 1300SMILES Stadium on July 20, 2019 in Townsville, Australia. (Photo by Ian Hitchcock/Getty Images)

“We’ve never once tried to point the finger at anyone else. We do take responsibility for it.

“We by no means come in here after a loss and think that close enough is good enough because it hasn’t ever been the case here and it isn’t at the moment.

“It hasn’t been an ideal season and the past few weeks haven’t been the best, but we’re under no illusions of where we’re at as a team at the moment and we’ll work to try and get better.”

The Cowboys are only four points adrift of seventh place on the ladder after other results fell their way last weekend, but Morgan felt the onus was still on them to perform.

“We can’t just sit here wishing and hoping that we make the semis. It is really up to us how far our season goes at the moment,” he said.

“Results might have gone our way on the weekend, but I honestly don’t look at the ladder because I don’t like seeing where we’re sitting.

Michael Morgan of the Cowboys is tackled during the round 20 NRL match between the Wests Tigers and the North Queensland Cowboys at Leichhardt Oval on August 01, 2019 in Sydney, Australia. (Photo by Mark Metcalfe/Getty Images)

Michael Morgan of the Cowboys is tackled during the round 20 NRL match between the Wests Tigers and the North Queensland Cowboys at Leichhardt Oval on August 01, 2019 in Sydney, Australia. (Photo by Mark Metcalfe/Getty Images)

“The sooner we can get into some decent footy and string a couple of good performances together, even 80 minutes together.
“We haven’t done that for quite a while so the sooner we can do that the better.”

The Cowboys-Broncos clash has become one of rugby league’s greatest rivalries and Morgan hoped the occasion would only add to his side’s motivation as they look to shake off the loss to the Tigers.

“It was obviously quite embarrassing and you always want to try and make up for it and given it is a bigger game it’s probably a good one to do it,” he said.

“Given the recent history between the two teams it is always exciting and hopefully a full crowd here can make it that little bit better.”
 

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Honestly if they stick with Green for next season it’s a lottery as to whether we will be any good (I’d lean to not). Pretty big failures over the past two years - reasons to be pessimistic about next season.

New coach would be a fresh start with new hope.
 

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Jesus, that article reads like they still believe the finals are a possibility??? I know maths may not be a footy players strongest subject (it's probably PE tbh), and yes, if you've got your head around basic addition using 0,1 or 2, you can work out a couple of scenarios where finals are possible. But someone really needs to give these boys a crash course in probability.
 

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Jesus, that article reads like they still believe the finals are a possibility??? I know maths may not be a footy players strongest subject (it's probably PE tbh), and yes, if you've got your head around basic addition using 0,1 or 2, you can work out a couple of scenarios where finals are possible. But someone really needs to give these boys a crash course in probability.
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I hope he can do a "Trent Robinson" next year. They had a shit year a couple of years ago (thinking it was Pearce dog saga) & finished way down, but they have bounced back astonishingly well (albeit with unlimited cap space it would seem). So as a former robbo protege, hope he can do the same, but he needs to tap a few blokes on the shoulder first.

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I hope he can do a "Trent Robinson" next year. They had a shit year a couple of years ago (thinking it was Pearce dog saga) & finished way down, but they have bounced back astonishingly well (albeit with unlimited cap space it would seem). So as a former robbo protege, hope he can do the same, but he needs to tap a few blokes on the shoulder first.

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We could only dream of being like the Roosters.. regular season standings the last few years..

2013 - 1st
2014 - 1st
2015 - 1st
2016 - 15th
2017 - 2nd
2018 - 1st

I think the biggest concern is that this isn't just one bad season. Realistically we've been pretty bad for 3 years in a row now. In 2017 we lost 5 of our last 6 games of the regular season and then somehow pulled off a 3 game streak in the finals. No matter what Green says we are pretty far off from where we have to be.

Unfortunately unless we can get Demetriou I'm not sure who we can replace him with. With Green we are at least largely competitive I suppose. I guess it's better than being beaten by 50 like the Titans are at the moment.
 

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Jesus, that article reads like they still believe the finals are a possibility??? I know maths may not be a footy players strongest subject (it's probably PE tbh), and yes, if you've got your head around basic addition using 0,1 or 2, you can work out a couple of scenarios where finals are possible. But someone really needs to give these boys a crash course in probability.
The interview was quite different. Morgo was asked about the finals and he politely answered the question - but you could tell he wanted to say "Are you f***ing kidding? Have you watched us lately?".
 

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The interview was quite different. Morgo was asked about the finals and he politely answered the question - but you could tell he wanted to say "Are you f***ing kidding? Have you watched us lately?".
I don't think the players have actually truly believed we'd play finals for a few months now with some of their performances, yet it always brought up along with words like 'maths' and 'results falling our way'. They dont believe it, no-one else believes it (except maybe Spacey :p), and they must know no-one else would believe it, yet it's still being said???

I think we've done politeness to death, maybe we need a whole bunch of impoliteness to try get a different result. In the space of a few years we've gone from "no excuses" & "stay in the fight" and regressed back to "refs fault" & "try hold on". Greeny giving Hess a halftime bath a few games back was glorious, and I reckon he's actually been on a slight improvement since then - maybe a few other boys should be lining up with their towels and soap-on-a-ropes at the ready.
 

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I hope he can do a "Trent Robinson" next year. They had a shit year a couple of years ago (thinking it was Pearce dog saga) & finished way down, but they have bounced back astonishingly well (albeit with unlimited cap space it would seem). So as a former robbo protege, hope he can do the same, but he needs to tap a few blokes on the shoulder first.

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Big difference being that the Roosters move players on pretty ruthlessly compared to us.
 

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Big difference being that the Roosters move players on pretty ruthlessly compared to us.
Yep, getting the best fullback in the game and the best halfback in one off season isn't something we could realistically strive for however.
 

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Paul Green and the Cowboys must part ways
https://www.theroar.com.au/author/sportswriter/

The North Queensland Cowboys are set to miss the finals for a second straight season, yet Paul Green has managed to escape the NRL coaching pressure cooker.

The focus of the Sydney-centric on underperforming Sydney-based coaches and the Titans coaching saga throughout 2019 has allowed another season of woe for the Townsville-based club to go relatively unnoticed.

Green’s tenure as Cowboys coach has taken a familiar path to that of Michael McGuire’s time at Souths. A finals force for a few seasons, including a drought-breaking premiership, the side’s slipped to missing the finals in back-to-back seasons with the same core group of players because the team’s structures and game plans have become stale.

It doesn’t mean McGuire forgot how to coach; both coach and club need a fresh approach and fresh ideas. After McGuire was moved on, Anthony Seibold took over and completely refreshed their attacking game to take virtually the same roster from 12th in 2017 to third in 2018.

The main criticisms of Green’s coaching are his apparent lack of innovation and inability to evolve the team’s attacking structures from the success of 2014-17.

They currently sit second last for average points scored this season and have registered only 30 points or more three times since the start of 2018 – they were rounds 22, 24 and 25 last season, when a player named Johnathan Thurston was racking up try assists.

In Paul Green’s defence, it’s been a season of many distractions, beginning with the sacking of star recruit Ben Barba just weeks before Round 1 and copmrising untimely injuries to key players throughout the season. They’ve also been on the receiving end of some poor refereeing decisions.

But using these issues as an excuse for Green only covers up the cracks, as there are several key areas and players that have not only failed to improve but have gone backwards.

Coen Hess is the biggest concern. He burst onto the scene in 2016 with raw power, aggression and skill and was rewarded with Origin selection. But since then he’s been lacklustre. He scored 17 barnstorming tries in his first 35 games but in 17 games this season he’s crossed the try line only once.

We’ve witnessed the careers of Jake Granville and Justin O’Neill go backwards over the past couple of seasons. Ben Hampton hadn’t fulfilled his full potential before he went down injured.

Lachlan Coote and Ethan Lowe went from premiership players to also-rans who weren’t playing at NRL standard. They’ve rediscovered their best footy since leaving the club, with Coote dominating in the UK Super League and Lowe earning an Origin debut since moving to Souths.

Reports of player unrest surfaced a few months ago, and although the senior playing group poured cold water on those rumours, Coote blasted his former coach, saying he wasn’t upfront with him in regards to his form and future at the club and railing against a lack of communication. He felt Green had lost respect for him for no reason.

If you choose to believe what Coote said about his former coach, you’d have to question Green’s man-management skills when it comes to his players.

One could argue the plethora of young talent at North Queensland’s disposal aren’t being developed properly.

Gideon Gela-Mosby is one of the fastest players in the NRL and should be the Cowboys’ version of the Storm’s Josh Addo-Carr. Corey Jensen was a consistent performer off the bench in his 18 games in 2018 but has been used only sparingly this season despite strong performances for the Townsville Blackhawks and selection for the Queensland Residents representative side. Mitch Dunn is a backrower with the skill set of a Wade Graham, who had limited opportunities before he was injured.

Then there’s young Jake Clifford, a future representative half who was inexplicitly overlooked in the first few rounds after impressing in the preseason trials. He looks to be stifled by being forced to play to structure, which has limited his creative ability.

Another area of concern has been team selections over the past two seasons. Although the Cowboys have been down on luck as far as injuries are concerned, Green has constantly picked players out of position.

For example, Coen Hess, a forward, has been selected to play centre for the past couple of weeks despite the likes of Enari Tuala, Murry Tualagi, Javid Bowen and Dan Russell all being available. There seems to be a perceived lack of faith in young players coming through the Cowboys system and a reluctance to drop experienced players who are out of form. For much of 2018 Green persisted with picking the same team that was losing every week.

The Cowboys have copped plenty of criticism for their roster management as well. You can understand the club wanting to keep their premiership team together after 2015, but in hindsight they made several blunders and lost the likes of Kalyn Ponga, Viliame Kikau, Brandon Smith and Jahrome Hughes, to name just a few.

You might ask why a club would sack a coach who won a premiership in 2015 and made another grand final just two years ago.
In 2014 Green was fortunate to inherit a team that was already primed to win a premiership. To his credit, he added the missing ingredients to make the premiership dream become a reality for North Queensland.

But it’s the miracle run to the 2017 grand final that perhaps covered up the cracks that have led the team into freefall ever since.

Green deserves his fair share of the credit for how the Cowboys performed throughout that finals series, but when you look back to Round 26 of that season, had the Dragons defeated the Bulldogs, they would have qualified for the finals and the Cowboys would have finished ninth, meaning Green would currently be facing his third straight season missing the finals.

So two grand finals suggest he has the runs on the board, but you can’t discount the element of luck either. You could argue they’re in a rebuilding phase after the retirement of Johnathan Thurston, but they qualified for a grand final without him and still have a team stacked with representative players.

Green will go down as arguably North Queensland’s greatest ever coach, but the Cowboys look like a team desperate for a fresh start, both collectively and individually.

https://www.theroar.com.au/2019/08/07/its-time-for-paul-green-and-the-cowboys-to-part-ways/
 

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Paul Green and the Cowboys must part ways
https://www.theroar.com.au/author/sportswriter/

The North Queensland Cowboys are set to miss the finals for a second straight season, yet Paul Green has managed to escape the NRL coaching pressure cooker.

The focus of the Sydney-centric on underperforming Sydney-based coaches and the Titans coaching saga throughout 2019 has allowed another season of woe for the Townsville-based club to go relatively unnoticed.

Green’s tenure as Cowboys coach has taken a familiar path to that of Michael McGuire’s time at Souths. A finals force for a few seasons, including a drought-breaking premiership, the side’s slipped to missing the finals in back-to-back seasons with the same core group of players because the team’s structures and game plans have become stale.

It doesn’t mean McGuire forgot how to coach; both coach and club need a fresh approach and fresh ideas. After McGuire was moved on, Anthony Seibold took over and completely refreshed their attacking game to take virtually the same roster from 12th in 2017 to third in 2018.

The main criticisms of Green’s coaching are his apparent lack of innovation and inability to evolve the team’s attacking structures from the success of 2014-17.

They currently sit second last for average points scored this season and have registered only 30 points or more three times since the start of 2018 – they were rounds 22, 24 and 25 last season, when a player named Johnathan Thurston was racking up try assists.

In Paul Green’s defence, it’s been a season of many distractions, beginning with the sacking of star recruit Ben Barba just weeks before Round 1 and copmrising untimely injuries to key players throughout the season. They’ve also been on the receiving end of some poor refereeing decisions.

But using these issues as an excuse for Green only covers up the cracks, as there are several key areas and players that have not only failed to improve but have gone backwards.

Coen Hess is the biggest concern. He burst onto the scene in 2016 with raw power, aggression and skill and was rewarded with Origin selection. But since then he’s been lacklustre. He scored 17 barnstorming tries in his first 35 games but in 17 games this season he’s crossed the try line only once.

We’ve witnessed the careers of Jake Granville and Justin O’Neill go backwards over the past couple of seasons. Ben Hampton hadn’t fulfilled his full potential before he went down injured.

Lachlan Coote and Ethan Lowe went from premiership players to also-rans who weren’t playing at NRL standard. They’ve rediscovered their best footy since leaving the club, with Coote dominating in the UK Super League and Lowe earning an Origin debut since moving to Souths.

Reports of player unrest surfaced a few months ago, and although the senior playing group poured cold water on those rumours, Coote blasted his former coach, saying he wasn’t upfront with him in regards to his form and future at the club and railing against a lack of communication. He felt Green had lost respect for him for no reason.

If you choose to believe what Coote said about his former coach, you’d have to question Green’s man-management skills when it comes to his players.

One could argue the plethora of young talent at North Queensland’s disposal aren’t being developed properly.

Gideon Gela-Mosby is one of the fastest players in the NRL and should be the Cowboys’ version of the Storm’s Josh Addo-Carr. Corey Jensen was a consistent performer off the bench in his 18 games in 2018 but has been used only sparingly this season despite strong performances for the Townsville Blackhawks and selection for the Queensland Residents representative side. Mitch Dunn is a backrower with the skill set of a Wade Graham, who had limited opportunities before he was injured.

Then there’s young Jake Clifford, a future representative half who was inexplicitly overlooked in the first few rounds after impressing in the preseason trials. He looks to be stifled by being forced to play to structure, which has limited his creative ability.

Another area of concern has been team selections over the past two seasons. Although the Cowboys have been down on luck as far as injuries are concerned, Green has constantly picked players out of position.

For example, Coen Hess, a forward, has been selected to play centre for the past couple of weeks despite the likes of Enari Tuala, Murry Tualagi, Javid Bowen and Dan Russell all being available. There seems to be a perceived lack of faith in young players coming through the Cowboys system and a reluctance to drop experienced players who are out of form. For much of 2018 Green persisted with picking the same team that was losing every week.

The Cowboys have copped plenty of criticism for their roster management as well. You can understand the club wanting to keep their premiership team together after 2015, but in hindsight they made several blunders and lost the likes of Kalyn Ponga, Viliame Kikau, Brandon Smith and Jahrome Hughes, to name just a few.

You might ask why a club would sack a coach who won a premiership in 2015 and made another grand final just two years ago.
In 2014 Green was fortunate to inherit a team that was already primed to win a premiership. To his credit, he added the missing ingredients to make the premiership dream become a reality for North Queensland.

But it’s the miracle run to the 2017 grand final that perhaps covered up the cracks that have led the team into freefall ever since.

Green deserves his fair share of the credit for how the Cowboys performed throughout that finals series, but when you look back to Round 26 of that season, had the Dragons defeated the Bulldogs, they would have qualified for the finals and the Cowboys would have finished ninth, meaning Green would currently be facing his third straight season missing the finals.

So two grand finals suggest he has the runs on the board, but you can’t discount the element of luck either. You could argue they’re in a rebuilding phase after the retirement of Johnathan Thurston, but they qualified for a grand final without him and still have a team stacked with representative players.

Green will go down as arguably North Queensland’s greatest ever coach, but the Cowboys look like a team desperate for a fresh start, both collectively and individually.

https://www.theroar.com.au/2019/08/07/its-time-for-paul-green-and-the-cowboys-to-part-ways/
It's like this writer is reading our minds
 

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Some of the points are stretched to support the argument. For example, I am not sure what 'full potential' he is referring to about Ben Hampton.

But overall this summarises the case reasonably well.
 

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Some of the points are stretched to support the argument. For example, I am not sure what 'full potential' he is referring to about Ben Hampton.

But overall this summarises the case reasonably well.
I bought up the topic of Hampton a while ago. What is his best position? Within the last 18-24 months, it's ranged from hooker to fullback. Hard to reach ones potential when moved around so much. Maybe we have seen the best out him?
 

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I don't like how the writer credits "good luck" to the years we had success but is quick to discredit the "bad luck" we've had with players conduct, injuries and (unmentioned) disrupted preseason with floods.

But I don't like the term "luck" in general. For us, it has very much been applied to injuries over the years (good luck in 2014-2016, bad luck 2017-present), but I also recall the articles about our record spend on the high performance unit in and around 2014-2016 as well. Since then, we've had plenty of staff turnover in some key appointments... so maybe it's not all about luck, maybe the guys we paid a record amount for at the time were actually very good at their respective jobs?
 

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I don't think the players have actually truly believed we'd play finals for a few months now with some of their performances, yet it always brought up along with words like 'maths' and 'results falling our way'. They dont believe it, no-one else believes it (except maybe Spacey :p), and they must know no-one else would believe it, yet it's still being said???

I think we've done politeness to death, maybe we need a whole bunch of impoliteness to try get a different result. In the space of a few years we've gone from "no excuses" & "stay in the fight" and regressed back to "refs fault" & "try hold on". Greeny giving Hess a halftime bath a few games back was glorious, and I reckon he's actually been on a slight improvement since then - maybe a few other boys should be lining up with their towels and soap-on-a-ropes at the ready.
Why would they have " SOAP-ON-A-ROPE" ---- Just askin
 

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Here is another article whilst we are piling on. This time it's Darren Lockyer having a cheap shot.

https://wwos.nine.com.au/nrl/north-queensland-cowboys-roster-issues-darren-lockyer-2019-season/3881c765-910f-49b9-aad9-94c5eb8dc849
Lockyer is absolutely correct in his criticism of our forward pack. Blokes like Maclean, Bolton, Cooper and Scott all living off past glories and contributing very little. Hess dropping away from his previous trajectory, and Granville being off with the fairies with his direction from dummy half. As a whole they get physically dominated and embarrassed week in week out.

I welcome further outside criticism, because it needs to be said.
 
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